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Uncontested Scrums are they the best way ?

Broadstreet 1st XV have had 3 league games this season go to uncontested scrums, is there a better way ?

Uncontested Scrums are they the best way ?

by thatch on Mon Mar 02, 2009 12:19 pm

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3 League fixtures this season have resulted in the use by the referee of uncontested or passive scrums with Broadstreet being deducted points scored after the scrums have gone passive. With the last occurance also being due to the dismissal of the opposition front row and then a further injury.

The laws state
3.13 FRONT ROW FORWARD SENT OFF OR
TEMPORARILY SUSPENDED OR INJURED
(a) If after a front row player has been sent off or during the time a
front row player is temporarily suspended, and there are no further
front row players available from the nominated team, then
uncontested scrums will be ordered. It is not the responsibility of
the referee to determine the suitability of trained front row
replacements nor their availability, as this is a team responsibility.
(b) After a front row player is sent off or during the time a front row
player is temporarily suspended the referee, upon awarding the
next scrum, will ask that player’s captain whether or not the team
has another player on the field of play who is suitably trained to
play in the front row. If not, the captain chooses any player from
that team who then must leave the field of play and be replaced by
a suitably trained front row player from the team’s replacements.
The captain may do this immediately prior to the next scrum or
after another player has been tried in the front row.
(c) When a period of temporary suspension ends and a front row
player returns to the field of play, the replacement front row player
leaves the field of play and the nominated player who left the field
of play for the period of the suspension may resume playing in the
match.
(d) Furthermore, if, because of sending off or injury, a team cannot
provide enough suitably trained front row players, the match
continues with uncontested scrums.
(e) An uncontested scrum is the same as a normal scrum, except that
the teams do not compete for the ball, the team throwing in the
ball must win it, and neither team is allowed to push.


Did the opposition use this method as a tactic to minimise the points difference at the end of the game ?

Should the result still stand as scored due to one of the reasons being foul play for the passive scrums ?

Where is the disadvantage to loosing a front row forward for foul play if the following scrums were passive ?

Should the opposition have to put 8 players into the passive scrum following the forwards dismissal ?
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Re: Uncontested Scrums are they the best way ?

by leestanton on Sun Aug 23, 2009 10:27 am

On the face of it, this new IRB 'Man Off' regulation seems to be a reasonable compromise between tying-up valuable Front Row (FR) resources (by adding more and more FRs to the replacements bench when these specialists are at such a premium) versus finding a way to reduce the (ever increasing) incidence of uncontested scrums.

http://www.broadstreet-rugby.co.uk/the-club/latest-news/irb-law-change-to-reduce-the-tactic-of-passive-scrums.html

As I understand it, the way it applies to Level Four, is that we are required to have five 'suitably trained and experienced' FR players in our twenty-man squad. That's three FRs on the field and two FR replacements on the bench. In simple terms, if we have a scenario in which three FRs have to leave the field (so that's the original five FRs in the squad, less three) leaving just two FRs remaining, then a non-FR HAS to move into the FR and scrums become uncontested (so far, pretty much as it's been in the past - but here comes the big change) AND you must take a 'Man Off' from somewhere else in the team so that you have just fourteen players on the field.

In this context 'leave the field' includes a permanent injury (that's a non-blood injury) or permanent exclusion (a red card) or a temporary exclusion (a yellow card) - they are all treated the same way.

That should help stop teams 'creating' FR injuries when they under the cosh from opponents with a good scrummaging pack.

Do you agree with my interpretation and do you think it will work?

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